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TheHoodedMan
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:29 am    Post subject: I thought the Users would like to know .... Reply with quote

In a recent email from the user "atim", who posts as "John The Celt" on Red Ice Forum, asked me to allow him to post under several accounts on this Forum.

I felt that was wrong and lead to duplicitous behavior I denied it. Shortly after the subjects we had discussed in emails , which were basically his interests in Revisionist History suddenly took a nasty turn on Red Ice.

He had been buddying up to me in private and trying to convince me that I should refrain and in fact stop responding to a few others basically spreading the same Nazi. Neo Nazi rhetoric and I pointed this out which seemed to cause increasing distress to him and eventually causing him to show a different and very nasty outburst toward me.

He wanted to engage me in a discussion in Zionism based upon some links he sent me and I hadn't reviewed and researched enough to feel that I had done the proper investigation necessary to do justice to the thread.

I did say I would get to it and next he went into accusatory mode, much like a person who was heavily involved in the movement and wanted to vindicate the material.

I checked into his IP address and it shows an Amsterdam provider with him being in Scotland. I contacted the Provider and they informed me they didn't sell service to Scotland. His email Address shows a US location.

So I am just alerting the users to what I found out and wanted to make clear I don't like hidden agendas and to allow users to manipulate others for their own device.

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Fresca
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This board is ... at least at this point a small and more personal board. Why have someone post under multiple names ? THough I have been tossing around the notion of changing my handle from "Fresca" to "Soda"... but then retire Fresca and make it clear to all that i'm me.

As for Nazi and Neo-Nazi rhetoric and the replying to it. The 1st amendment hasnt been fully repealed in the US (yet). As much as I have a rather strong distaste for that "philosophy" they have a right to it. However they need to accept the fact that others have not only a right to disagree but to express their disagreement.

The famous words most often miquoted from Voltare apply:"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (I heard he Didn't say it someone else did)

He did however say in his "Treatise on Toleration"

Voltaire wrote:
Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life those who do not think the way we do, but I do not know if it might be too presumptuous to declare their eternal damnation.


The bible gets quoted alot.. I thought I'd mix it up a but... I think this was from the KJV of Treatise on Toleration verse 42 Laughing
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Fresca
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

p.s. here's a copy of the treatise on tolerance... it should IMO be required reading everywhere.. but ... thats just me:

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/virtual/reading/core4-05r03.htm
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TheHoodedMan
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Fresca.

You just seem to post the right thing at the right time. Care to share how you do that? C'mon spill. Very Happy


On another note:
I don't care if a user wants to change a handle. It was just his wanting to deceive people or hide from his posts.

I do on occasion and hopefully (Very Happy) not all that often, make really dumb errors. But I don't think I should need to hide behind multiple handles on a single board.

Anyway, the funny thing I was accused of not being clean in my discussion. I don't resort to using foul language. It's not that I wouldn't use a phrase or a word if it fit better than common speech, it is I don't as a rule have so many other terms to draw upon. Very Happy!

Ok enough babbling by me.

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Fresca
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOLz ... I think there's a "I can tell you but i'd have to keel you" clause hanging out
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atim went out of his way to start several people on Red Ice to try to force me out.

I am a problem over there since my writing style and logic is apparently causing problems for some due to their inability to comprehend and refute.

So, again I am a bad guy for discussing topics too well and when I try to write using a lower grade vocabulary I am still too convincing.

LOL you can't even be nice to people because if you do they accuse you of manipulating them! It cracks me up.

They complain if you write too well, they complain if you are nice and they complain if you don't respond to abusive comments or even joke with a person.

I just find it too funny.

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