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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Damages caused by lies Reply with quote

Here is a link that reports on the dangers and damages of lying to further the goals of Fundamentalist/Evangelical lies that resulted in ruing lives of innocent people.

The problem is still with us all and until the practice of it is stopped. exposed and those responsible for starting and continuing it, no one will be free from Self appointed Religious fanatics who want to force people to follow their way of thinking. The persons who continue in carrying out the agenda will not stop on their own and must be made to recognize this is not the way to gain converts. You can't scare and/or force people to believe in a religion and it's practices. The failure of society to stop these and related practices allows and enables the Law to be broken and justice to be thwarted.

http://www.fmsfonline.org/fmsf06.228.html

Read the information on the page and then decide if damage is being done and the need to stop it is paramount.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you might want to listen to this interview

http://vyzygoth.com/audio/sullivan3-30-07.mp3

it's from Vyzygoth's grassy Gnoll.. the woman claims to have been ritually abused
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresca wrote:
you might want to listen to this interview

http://vyzygoth.com/audio/sullivan3-30-07.mp3

it's from Vyzygoth's grassy Gnoll.. the woman claims to have been ritually abused


It is a repeat of a prior Podcast. I have seen a proliferation of SRA discussion on Forums and Podcasts since I have brought it back up.

The topic was basically buried due to the the exposure of the lies which brought it about in the first place. I want it discussed and people shown the extreme damage done due to religious intolerance. The agenda of the G.O.D. Squad has to be fully exposed and then and only then will people recognize what is being done and thus stopped.

Religious belief is fine, but when it is used to attack and to destroy, it is being used improperly. The political use of religion to hide malicious intent and to divert attention away from a more modern form of Fascism.

Through conditioning and outright brainwashing of the populace under the guise of Christianity undermines the original intent of Christianity.

The use of excuses to explain the lack of information just delays the inevitable discovery of the tactics being employed to seize control of the world. IF there is a New World Order that has seized control, then it is the Religious extremists who seek to avoid discovery until they are entrenched completely to prevent their removal and combat their control of the human race.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresca wrote:
you might want to listen to this interview

http://vyzygoth.com/audio/sullivan3-30-07.mp3

it's from Vyzygoth's grassy Gnoll.. the woman claims to have been ritually abused


I recently watched a movie called "Forgotten Sins", the woman is describing part of the storyline wherein one character realizes that he was manipulated into believing he had committed crimes and later recognized that he made up memories.
The real person who suffered this is still in jail for crimes he didn't commit.

Many others are there too, awaiting release.

The movie is based upon a writer from the New Yorker and from other stories.

The movie does an excellent job of showing how ridiculous the G.O.D. Squad claims really are.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The woman admits to breaking the law like many others but says she doesn't want to pay for her criminal actions. She also says she can't go too long explaining it as it brings up bad memories, when in fact she avoids long discussions as the story will fall apart if she continues.

She also refuses to give direct information but constantly refers to he book for more info. Then she says she isn't making much from each book.

If she did the crimes then she needs to do the time.

Here is a quote from a web page describing Kathleen Sullivan's book

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Mind-control survivor K. Sullivan has written an astounding book called MK, a fictionalised account of her life, which describes the world of multiple personalities. To her credit, Sullivan has been able to reconstruct from her memories the actual mechanics and methodology of going from one alter state to another. A programmed assassin and sex slave, Sullivan says she was abused and raped by Robert Maxwell, Henry Kissinger, George Bush and Billy Graham, among others. One of her controllers was deceased CIA operative James Jesus Angleton, who has been widely regarded as a KGB and Mossad asset.


Notice the "fictionalized account"

Here is the link:

http://www.whale.to/b/dowbenko1.html#%A0SULLIVAN'S%20TRAVELS


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

article on the latest in memory manipulation drugs
http://health.msn.com/centers/depression/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100148859&GT1=9301
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Here is a letter with comments from Kathy's site Reply with quote

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The following article was written by a survivor who was revictimized by con artists who continue to present themselves as a knowledgeable and concerned Christian ministry. The survivor gave us permission to post her article in hopes that it will help other survivors to avoid being victimized by human wolves in shepherds' clothing.

Dear Kathleen Sullivan and those who care,

I am currently a licensed professional with almost two decades of practice so I am not "psychotic" or "delusional."


Pay attention to this admission as it will be important to expose this person

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There is a reason I am writing this letter that reaches beyond the damage that is done by governments. The abuse I speak of is one that is just as damaging for victims now.

There are so many ministries and cults that claim to be able to help victims of ritual abuse. They have become the new abusers, ones who claim to want to help victims of cults and of mind control and DID.

At the end of this letter I will clarify just what was being done to me and others through these cultic ministries and how seeking help sometimes ends up in another mind control situation for the government or other abusers.


Ok you told us who you are supposed to be and the reasons why you wrote this letter.

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Not long ago, I tried to get help through such a ministry. The church seemed so real and sincere. They knew so much about mind control programming and all the terminology. They were highly skilled individuals and several of the pastors had been in law enforcement.


Not long ago? Thought you were a licensed professional with over 2 decades (20 years +) experience who isn't psychotic or delusional??

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I was desperate for help to leave the area and the handlers that owned me. When I found out about this ministry, I contacted them and left during the night, leaving behind everything I owned, including my house. I drove non-stop during the night for hundreds of miles, to be "safe." I had never driven much before and never on an interstate or in city traffic -- this is how much I wanted help.


Why haven't you driven on an interstate? Or even in city traffic? A licensed Professional has to work and how did you get there? Without driving you don't explain the transportation angle?

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I am fortunate to have recently had the help of a handful of brave and sincere friends, a caring and compassionate lawyer, the support of the attorney general in that state, and a judge that heard my case with compassion.


so give us a name, a case citation to verify this already!! What State? What Judge who was so compassionate? Names would help verify these statements.

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Through these people I was able to leave that situation and find a truly safe place and get help. I want to validate my history in being a victim of mind control, not with gory details, but by stating what facts and locations that I know to be true in my own life.

I have the documentation that validates these facts and keep them locked in another place in the event anything should ever happen to me. My counselor knows that they can be used if it were ever required, if I were suddenly missing or found dead.


Counselor? are you speaking of mental health or legal? Sounds like it is more the mental heath variety from the way you are so hesitant to reveal much. So post the documents and let us all read for ourselves.

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To explain why I think I was targeted to be revictimized, let me first share a little about my history. I will not go into the gory details of abuse and control that I experienced.

I was born in the United States and delivered by a midwife. I currently have two original birth certificate with two different names, a practice I find extremely common with those affiliated with being mind control and military backgrounds. Each is a legal document, so in reality I do not know if either of the parents who raised me were my biological parents.


Ok so which name is the one your professionally liscensed under? If they are "legal documents" then post them so we can see for ourselves. Or do we just have to take your Licensed Professional with over 2 decades word for it?

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I am fortunate in that I have my medical records. I obtained these through the military when someone in my family was diagnosed with a rare illness and the physician wanted access to my medical history to help his research at a well known university.


Ok now vague mention of medical records that were obtained through military, ok keep going...

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The records speak of a chronically dirty, fearful child with frequent seizures and kidney infections. (Not so strange in a young female child that is being abused.) At one time the records say that my parents overdosed me on medications and I was hospitalized for days.

I was eventually sent to Walter Reed Hospital where I was diagnosed with epilepsy. Epilepsy is a very common diagnosis in victims like me.


Really? Kathleen didn't mention having Epilepsy on the interview with Vyzigoth! And she is a victim just ask her, but her account is "fictionalized" to avoid prosecution for her criminal activities.

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While a toddler, my father was stationed overseas and I remained there and grew up. I have been many times to the wooded areas in that country.

There I saw an underground areas where medical protocols and experiments were being conducted. There are hundreds of underground facilities all throughout the United States and other countries that are used.


And where exactly are these locations? What medical protocols and experiments are you talking about? Ohh underground that sounds really interesting.

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I remember important meetings that were fearful to me and the official visitors that came to these meetings. I remember not only the ritual teachings, but being forbidden to speak in English and only in the language of that country and the importance of total obedience without question and without hesitation.


So what country and language, you said you remember but fail to tell anyone even the name of the country and/or the language. If you were there and spoke a different language from English then tell us.

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I returned to the United States after my childhood and "training" were sufficient and everywhere where my father was stationed had their own underground facilities.


Returned from where? Are you speaking English again or some alien language known only to the Elite Illuminati Conspiracy Occult Satanic Cabal?

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I did not even realize that I was a multiple or remember any abuse until experiencing a traumatic event in my family. In trying to absorb the grief, all these horrid pieces of my life came flooding out.

That was many years ago and there was almost no material on multiple personality disorder and even PTSD was a new field of study. The therapist I had knew little about multiple personality disorder, but that was the only diagnosis he could give me that was appropriate.


Perhaps the G.O.D. Squad hadn't invented the storyline yet and you had to take the time to gather enough data to put together a feasible story so you could write a "fictionalized account"?
So when did this diagnosis take place? I would bet hard cash not until FMS showed up and became the rage!!!! this person sure knows a lot of clinical terminology, hmmmmmm

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He also told me years later that he had contacted many professionals in the psychiatric field for help in treating me. At the onset he would only deal with the parentally abusive aspects of my childhood. He said he just did not know what else to do.


And if names were provided each of the "professionals" would no doubt be G.O.D. Squad rubes!

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Because I felt totally lost, when I heard of this ministry that helped victims of abuse, especially those with DID, I called them.


Wait a minute, DID wasn't defined at the time so when did this event happen?

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To make this long story short


Why you realizing that this letter is about to expose something? If you continue, readers may figure out that it another "fictionalized account"? No please full details, give the whole story and if you can't then just cut and paste portions of Kathleen Sullivan's book. Or how about "Michelle Remembers", or just make up another story, (wait a minute perhaps they are doing it here??)

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To make this long story short, the pastor assigned to me literally owned every aspect of my life. I was kept without a phone and only permitted to go to work and to church and study their teachings.


Sounds like G.O.D. Squad training to me. Except your describing Satanic abuse here.

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I was instructed to write down every memory I recalled, and any aspects specific to my programming or the "process." I was tested off and on "to help them learn more so they could help free others."

They would use various colored bright flashing lights, sounds and tones, sleep and food deprivation, and several times gave me alcohol and medications "to observe my behavior and programming while I was safe under their care and observation."


I keep waiting for the "Greys" and descriptions of probes. How boring.
Or this could be any standard mental hospital as well, hmmmmmmm

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I was told that this would help them "protect" me because this way they could know where my weaknesses were, as well as help them rescue other mind control victims. "After all, it was the least I could do if I wanted to see others helped, and prove that I truly trusted them."

The ministry had its own form of mind control and I was used to being a victim.


Ok so now you realize that religious programming is been done. Quick run and tell the world about it. Or is the real reason you didn't leave is because of the Compassionate Judge ordered you to undergo psychiatric testing and treatment???

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I was not permitted to purchase anything without asking and showing the pastor the receipt if it exceeded the amount they set for me. I was forbidden to talk to anyone except at work and was told to "trust no one in the church because some of them are planted to trap people like me and take us back to our handlers." No one was permitted to know where I lived, including my employer, nor was I permitted to go anywhere unless one of them were with me.


Sounds a lot like you were sentenced to a mental ward and had a staff member around to prevent you from ducking out before your sentence was completed.

So what kind of work were you doing? You don't ever tell us that??

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I became ill with pneumonia from the stress, lack of sleep, and an inability to eat. It was suggested that in order for me to be safe, it would be best if this pastor became my legal power of attorney. In that way I would be taken care of if I were "in danger" or "too sick."


Became "your legal power of attorney"? Power of Attorney is a document you sign to give a person permission to act on your behalf, not something you become. 20+ years as a licensed Professional? I am somehow finding that hard to believe. You are capable of carrying out work but are unable to kep your storty straight.

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There was much discussion of legally changing my name. The pastor told me if anything ever happened and I were to die, they would bury me in an unmarked grave so I would never be located.


So how would changing your name prevent you being buried in an unmarked grave?

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I was so terrified of my prior handlers locating me that "safe" was a key word for me. "Safe" is a key word to many victims.


Yes and it used by people to indicate a sense of calm peaceful security.

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I was also terrified of these new protectors. It was as if I did not exist and these people could erase me as if I had never existed and no one would know where I was or even how to find me.

I had a grown child who had married, but I had not been allowed to contact him since leaving. I had been relocated several times and no one knew where I was. The utilities and every bill was in the name of the pastor assigned to me or in another name.


Oh really, what about hte folks at your work? didn't they know anything? Or does this take place outside in a galaxy far far away???

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I did not know how to drive very well, and knew absolutely nothing about the place and the city where I now lived. Even the car I drove was changed. I only knew the way to work and to church. I had no drivers license, and literally no form of identification was on my person at any time.


Sound like you don't know how to even make a a story very well either. Work and Church? Nothing in between? Where is this place again? And what work are you going and coming from that never gets stated?
So let me get this straight, you go to work regularly yet don't drive very well? After 20+ years you would think you would have learned.

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Many of my possessions were taken and "placed in storage" at their discretion. The pastor also had the key to my house and I was not permitted to get my own mail, "to keep me safe."

He had total access to my house, my programming, and my power of attorney. If I questioned anything, he would ask me if I wanted to go back where I came from - and the abuse - or stay there and learn and be safe.

He called himself my protector. But, who protects you from the protector?


Who is watching you now? Are you still at large? or did the writer get tired of this fictional person and invent another to replace you? This is like a Twilight Zone episode, only the storyline lacks continuity and leaves out too many important pieces of information that would make it capable of verification and I know why it doesn't have it, because none of this took place except in the author's mind

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If I wanted to be "safe" I had to trust him completely to know what was good for me. I was "not able to judge things well for myself because of my past and my programming," and I was to do as I was told to prove that trust.


Please make up you mind, either you do or don't want to be "safe"

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The pastor would come to my house while I was a work and go through my things. He would take his set of car keys and go through the car, even telling me he would place a tracking device on it "off and on" to "test me" and to "make sure I was not sneaking off to occult meetings."


How similar to a leg or ankle device for house arrest??

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I was totally isolated and terrified. Soon he also began to strip search me to be sure I wasn't "still practicing" or "active for the cult." He claimed that he was looking for marks or ritual cuttings, drug paraphernalia, or any other thing he knew would be signs of my lying.


Well if you are convicted and living in detention strip searches are allowed to prevent contraband and weapons from being smuggled in.

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After I had been living under this terror for about a year, he began to access my sexual programming and use it for his benefit and "to teach me it does not have to mean pain when done right." He also used that programming to experiment with, for his own satisfaction and perversions.


Finally the sex is mentioned, wouldn't be complete without the sex. So what does this victim look like? Sounds remarkably similar to every other story about this whole line of garbage.

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I lived in constant terror and confusion and isolation. One day at work a credit card company contacted me about a bill. In the next months, others started to call. I was shocked and in tears and finally confided in someone that I had met at work.

I only disclosed the financial matter and they helped me contact the different credit card companies. I had the bills and itemized statements sent to me at work.


If these people are as powerful as you say they are you didn't need to disclose anything as they already had the complete dossier on you from the last time you were under the influence or did you forget to include this and hope no one would notice?

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It took several months, but finally I was able to review all the debts. There were FIVE credit cards in my name. I would never be able to pay the debts on my salary, part of which went directly to that ministry and pastor. I thought maybe I would try to sell the house I owned to pay off the debts.


Well weren't you a "Licensed Professional 20+"? Surely a big time job like that would have made it easy to pay off the debts, take a world cruise, have a private Jet, at least 2 yachts, etc.

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I contacted a lawyer to declare bankruptcy, and to review everything.

In the end, the pastor had sold my house using my power of attorney, and the credit card debt totaled OVER seventy thousand dollars, not adding on all the interest rates.

I was sneaking around and hiding the information and letters in my locker at work or at my friend's house with my lawyer having copies.
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Wait a minute, before you didn't get any mail now you are hiding it?

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I could not believe how I had been used and hurt by people saying they were there to help victims like me.

My lawyer filed for bankruptcy. Things became so dangerous that even my lawyer waited until I was out of state to file the bankruptcy. When the judge heard the circumstances I had been in, he was irate.

I know this has been long.


Not really but just long enough to point out plenty of holes in the garbage you have been expecting to sell.

[qoute] I think what I want to say is that as bad as my life has been with the abuse, somehow reaching out to get help and then being re-abused has been the hardest hurdle to deal with.

I wonder how many "ministries" are out there pretending to help, and hiding that they are willing to turn people - back in to the government - that are trying to leave the mind control programs, or they are wanting to use the victimization to their advantage.

I do know that that these "ministers" have tried to find alternative backing for their "outreach ministry" and are still active in that capacity through other churches in that state. There are victims out there that they will find and will hurt, and that is the one thing that bothers me most.

What makes me the saddest is that these pastors are out there and finding new victims and using others, and not everyone will be as lucky as I have been.

Some will go back to their prior handlers, some will stay used and become like just them, and some may tail spin into suicide - which is where I am sure I would have ended up had a miracle not happened for me.

Thank you for letting me share with someone I think will understand.


I decided I had covered enough and left the rest alone till now.

The entire "letter" is unsigned, not one shred of independently verifiable proof given and by now you can see how fiction is used to convince people of events that can not be proven as they never happened. If the person really wanted to get help for these alleged events, then go to the police and stop making up reasons for avoiding the normal channels to seek help.

This is just one of the ways to help support fictionalized accounts. Write a letter and then claim a person is in danger so their name and address is withheld. If you really want to help the person then contact the police and start there. But in Kathleen's case she can't because it might mean either jail time or the mental ward. That is what she fears and admitted it on the Vyzigoth interview.

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