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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Christian Hypocrisy Reply with quote

On another thread, THM wrote:

TheHoodedMan wrote:

Either stay consistent or forget the whole thing. If you give up one part then you give up the whole.

What I was often accused of on PID was that I hated a religion and I don't, I dislike hypocritical behavior and will call it.

It seems so simple to me to practice what you preach and you even have an instruction manual if you are a Christian, so how easy can it be?


To me this betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what Christianity is all about. You are basically saying that the Bible is a rule book and that the goal of Christian evangelization is to get everyone else to behave the way we do. I acknowledge that due to the actions and words of some misguided Christians it may seem that way, and if that were true then you’d be perfectly correct in pointing out that our hypocrisy undermines our (supposed) mission.

The answer to your question is that not only is it not easy, it’s impossible. People who only tell you that God expects certain behaviors out of you, and condemns others, without telling you the other half of the message, are just setting you up for failure, because the main purpose of all those “instructions” is simply to teach us that we have no standing on our own before God, but are totally dependant on His mercy.

The other half of the message is this: Even though you are a sinner, and before you ever did anything to reach out to God, God reached out to you.

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The message of the Gospel is the message of the absolution. God looks at you in your manifest sinfulness and in all of the hidden sins that are known only to you and to God and pronounces you ‘NOT GUILTY’ because of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is so often used to justify the position of Evangelicals and Fundamentalists.

Do as I say not as I do. If you want to be excused for violating the rules you claim to live by, then that is up to you. Far too often the Bible is used as basis for judging people from a standard that you believe is valid and disregard it when it is done.

Nope, your position is one of hypocritical nature, denies the very duality of the Christian religion and then seeks to blame your short comings upon the perceived fault of others.

Once again your own circular reasoning does you in.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheHoodedMan wrote:
If you want to be excused for violating the rules you claim to live by, then that is up to you.


We do not live by the Law because every Christian has acknowledged his inability to obey the law. But we also acknowledge that the law is valid and the fault lies in us.

TheHoodedMan wrote:
Far too often the Bible is used as basis for judging people from a standard that you believe is valid and disregard it when it is done.


Christians do not disregard it when they violate God's law. Here's a quote from the liturgy, which we say every Sunday:

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Merciful God, we confess that we are in bondage to sin and cannot free ourselves. We have sinned against you in thought, word, and deed, in what we have done and in what we have not done. We have not loved You with our whole heart. We have not loved our neighbor as ourselves. We justly deserve your present and eternal punishment. For the sake of your Son have mercy on us. Forgive us, renew us, and lead us, that we may walk in your will and live in your ways, to the glory of Your Holy Name. Amen.


TheHoodedMan wrote:
seeks to blame your short comings upon the perceived fault of others.


I think the above quote makes it clear who we blame our shortcomings on.

TheHoodedMan wrote:
Once again your own circular reasoning does you in.


I do not see how my reasoning is circular. Can you elaborate and show me from my own posts?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see the need to retrain you or affect your conditioning.

Nor do I have any need to continue this obvious circular discussion.

Take care. And the next time you care to quote me from another post please include a link to it, that way all readers can see the original and insure nothing was taken out of context.

Since you're referring to posts made on another site, it has no basis here as it wasn't said here.

As I said before, if you want to discuss a topic from another forum, then do it there not here. Replicating a thread never made here is nothing more than a weak attempt at disruption and confuses those who weren't present when it was originally made which again takes it out of context.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheHoodedMan wrote:
I don't see the need to retrain you or affect your conditioning.

Nor do I have any need to continue this obvious circular discussion.

Take care.


Who was it who said "It is always easier to ignore, than to understand."

Oh yeah, it was you.

Apparently I've misunderstood your intentions. I've tried to respond to your views as best I could, and all you've done is ignored my questions and responses and insult me. Isn't your goal to promote understanding? Or are you just working out your feelings on your percieved mistreatment at the other forum?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Responding to your questions is like mental masturbation, fun for a while but you never reach a climax.

I am well aware at what you're attempting and not playing the game.

You haven't complied with what I asked for and you will need to search for it on your own as I am not going to repeat it.

1. If you want to discuss something said on another Forum then do it there;

2. Complete your profile;

3. Are you a user on PID and what handle do you use, this covers all periods of time;

4. I will respond to what I feel like and ignore childish attempts at disruption;

5. You have 30 minutes or lose your privileges to post on this Forum.

Got it?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheHoodedMan wrote:
Responding to your questions is like mental masturbation, fun for a while but you never reach a climax.

I am well aware at what you're attempting and not playing the game.

You haven't complied with what I asked for and you will need to search for it on your own as I am not going to repeat it.

1. If you want to discuss something said on another Forum then do it there;

2. Complete your profile;

3. Are you a user on PID and what handle do you use, this covers all periods of time;

4. I will respond to what I feel like and ignore childish attempts at disruption;

5. You have 30 minutes or lose your privileges to post on this Forum.

Got it?


Train has not complied with my requests and chose to ignore my instructions. By failing to do as asked; posting privileges will be suspended until compliance has taken place

Train has my email and can contact me there to follow up.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheHoodedMan wrote:

posting privileges will be suspended until compliance has taken place

Train has my email and can contact me there to follow up.


I don't think it worked. Laughing (I apologize again for my sense of humor. It is really not my intent to antagonize you.)

But anyway, I don't actually have your email address.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

train wrote:
TheHoodedMan wrote:

posting privileges will be suspended until compliance has taken place

Train has my email and can contact me there to follow up.


I don't think it worked. Laughing (I apologize again for my sense of humor. It is really not my intent to antagonize you.)

But anyway, I don't actually have your email address.


I emailed it to you, but just do what I asked.

Also, I thought about it and just restored your status moments before you posted.

I don't mind you posting and discussing topics that you find interesting, what I don't want is bringing things said on another board to this one and trying to continue something your hero stopped.

In addition, what you did is pulled out a post from 15 pages of discussion and it loses it point of reference.

If you want to discuss what was said there then do it there.

My invitation was to continue the Magick discussion here, starting anew.

If you want to discuss something said here then link to it and stop taking things out of context.

TFR

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please guys just take a step back
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresca wrote:
Please guys just take a step back


This person is just trying to disrupt the flow here. I removed the ban because I thought reasoning could solve it. They want to continue arguing points that were dealt with on the PID Forum. They couldn't do it there so now they are trying it here.

These people are called Trolls and by posting confusing none related links hope to stop the growth of this Forum.

I thought I had banned them from access but I didn't do it properly.

Sorry you had to experience a small part of what I have had to put up with for months.

I am taking steps to prevent this from continuing.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

train wrote:
TheHoodedMan wrote:

posting privileges will be suspended until compliance has taken place

Train has my email and can contact me there to follow up.


I don't think it worked. Laughing (I apologize again for my sense of humor. It is really not my intent to antagonize you.)

But anyway, I don't actually have your email address.


I guess it worked, huh?

It is truly sad to have to deal with grown up children by taking away their toys.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

train wrote:
TheHoodedMan wrote:

posting privileges will be suspended until compliance has taken place

Train has my email and can contact me there to follow up.


I don't think it worked. Laughing (I apologize again for my sense of humor. It is really not my intent to antagonize you.)

But anyway, I don't actually have your email address.


Your reliance upon humor to defend your deceit won't be tolerated and is exposed.

Not only can you not abide by the principles you claim to follow you ignore them when you need to engage in to carry out deeds in direct conflict of the tenants of your alleged faith.

I will not assist in your further disobeying of rules you demand others comply with and to explain can't be followed when you don't even make an attempt to abide by them.

I will not accept excuses for your refusal and that it will not take place on this Forum.
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