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Fresca
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atim wrote:
There is a lot of info on Gardiner, and his Illuminati tie-ins, interestingly, he's never repudiated any of them Wink


Why should he ? Not confirming or denying.. leaves a mystery... gives the impression of being "in the know", encourages people talk.

translation: more press
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL...very tue, he IS a master of self publicity

The science behind all of this is what has always fascinated me, rather than gardiner's sales of all manner of lotions, potions, and other "wonder" concoctions..smacks of a travelling medicine show..

The "M" elements are where its at....the "Gold" angle is just the "bling" that gardiner has chosen to sensationally run with...there are loads of elements whose properties can be changed to produce the same effects, and more being discovered all the time, the secret is in the duration and temperature of the heating/burning process.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heading back on topic for this thread... sorry about the detour THM

I found some Cathar texts online:

THE GNOSTIC SOCIETY LIBRARY - Cathar Texts
http://www.gnosis.org/library/cathtx.htm

Listing includes:
From the Lyons Ritual.
The Apparelhamentum, Confession of Sins
Traditio, Immersion into the Community of Parfaits
Interregatio Iohannis.

Secondary Sources: The Polemics Against the Cathars
Raynaldus On the accusations against the Albigensians
Bernardo Gui, Inquisitor, On the Albigensians.
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea about the hidden documents. All I know about the Cathars was that they were closely related to Zarathustra and the Mitras Cult and that women were also priests, one of the many reasons why they were persecuted. Nobody knows how "Christian" the Cathars actually were, and how much middle-eastern influence they brought into Europe.

There is a story that in the final days of the siege of Monserat something was smuggled out of the Castle by the Knights of Templar.

I think it is important to look at this time and place at a whole - the Languedoc was always a region where heresy blossomed and where Pagan, Arabic and other influences were very alive.
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VajraDakini wrote:
No idea about the hidden documents. All I know about the Cathars was that they were closely related to Zarathustra and the Mitras Cult and that women were also priests, one of the many reasons why they were persecuted. Nobody knows how "Christian" the Cathars actually were, and how much middle-eastern influence they brought into Europe.

There is a story that in the final days of the siege of Monserat something was smuggled out of the Castle by the Knights of Templar.

I think it is important to look at this time and place at a whole - the Languedoc was always a region where heresy blossomed and where Pagan, Arabic and other influences were very alive.
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Do you have any more info about the relation to Mithras and Zarathustra?

I have seen quite some time ago a link with some limited data, but not much along the lines of detailed content. I would be interested in reading what you might know about and/or sources about them.

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have very little information about the Mithras cult, only that it was in some way a sun worshipping society. Some reliques and caves with altars have been found in Europe. Also, it is one of the many religions from which Christianity borrowed - or stole - dogmas. Mithras was also supposed to be the son of a virgin and born on the 25th of December.

About the Cathars: Many researchers seem to believe that their religion originates in what is now Iran and that it was influenced by Zarathustra. Like the followers of Zarathustra (and their last people, the Parsi of India) they strongly believed in a dualistic world view with Good and Evil, Purity and Filth, Merit and Sin, God and Satan. This might not be in tune with an idealistic and romantic idea that some people have of the Cathars. But it was part of their downfall and one of the main reasons why the Church persecuted them so heavily. They criticized the pomp and materialism of the Catholics.

I recommend Umberto Eco's "Name of the Rose" as a exciting read and good ressource on medieval heretic groups - not only intellectual information but an amazing sense of the spirit of the times. The movie is also not bad,
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding was that Mithraism is also originally from Persia
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